Mainstream Islamic sources say:

It's interesting that mainstream Islam remains a mystery to about 99% of Westerners.

The things i heard and read from Sunni Muslims were that Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham wrote the sort of "official biographies" of Mohammad, and that Sahih Bukhari and Muslim were like the "Holy Grail" of narrations about the prophet.

I am not sure if all Sunni Muslims agree with this, it is possible that there are 'subversives" who don't accept the narrations of Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Ishaq, et alia official Sunni representatives of Mohammad's example.

Probably the most shocking thing said about Mohammad by mainstream Sunni Islamic historians is that he killed kids for satirizing him.

Or you could say it was more shocking that he killed 600-900 Jews after they surrendered, all the males over age of puberty. 

It was also pretty shocking that he tortured the leader of the Jews to death, and stole his treasure, and then forced his teenage daughter into marriage with him.

Now some historians have raised an alarm, that the official Sunni narration of Mohammad might be untrue, that it may have been created for political purposes by a much later dictatorship, of the Islamic Empire.

It is worth noting that  they (some of the ones I read)   have implied that earlier works about Mohammad are gone, presumably destroyed, while we only get these hadith and official biographies 200 years later.  The earlier books are gone, lost the Sunni say, but the truth of it is, like the great libraries which Umar's Army burned to the ground, the early narrattions too were destroyed by a Totalitarian Government.

I'd like to consult with the Shia's, about what they think about Mohammad's life.

Now in all honesty, I am telling you that it is quite hard to peice together the past when we have totalitarian dictatorships coming along and rewriting history to some extent.

The historians I heard told me that initially the Muslims had a kind of Republican form of government, or an aristocratic monarchy, that essentially there was an election for the leader of the Muslim community who was appointed as a Caliph, that is, a sucessor, to the Prophet.

Now the Shia side may sometimes, or often claim, that the new Caliph was supposed to be the son of Ali Ibn Abi Taleb, Mohammad's Nephew and close personal companion.

The counter narrative to the caliphate of Muawiyya, who succeeded the Caliph Ali, who I just mentioned, seems to generally be that Ali had identified Muawiyya as "A Devil" and had appointed his sons to follow in his footsteps.  Ali apparently wrote a book, which was not destroyed, which identifies Muawiyya as the Devil. 

Now so, Ali's sons fought against Muawiyya to be the "rightful caliph".  This leads to the tradition of cutting themselves, done by Shia's in Iraq at Ashura.  Ashura is meant to commemorate the loss of Ali's sons to the armies of Muawiyya. 

Now some Sunni and Shia historians both refer to this Muawiyya as "The Father of Tyrants." I have heard this appelation given to him by many.  Muawiyya created a Dynasty, i am not sure if there was no longer an election per se, for the role of Caliph, but the sucession was passed down through the Ummayad clan claimed one encyclopedia entry I read.

Now was there an imposition of Tyranny, as some allege, and did the Tyrants create an image of Mohammad as a murderous dictator? 

This is a question we have to ask.

To answer this question, we will have to inquire after various commentators on the new regime of the Ummayas and their Abbassid Sucessors. 

I know one thing, it was not quite yet at this time that the Shia and Sunni had arisen.  This Shia Sunni divide began after some leaders from the "Shia" side decided to appoint their own special leader Imams to carry on Ali's legacy.  This began and occured around the time of Muawiyya and his immediate sucessors.  However to speak of Sunnis and Shia's at this point would be innappropriate, alleges a fair number of Islamic history websites I read.

Now what happens, is that the elite decides to go with this Ibn Hisham , whose book is then lost, or destroyed, and we have another book that we call the semi official history, which is by Ibn Ishaq.

From Ibn Ishaq it is that we most surely get our image of Mohammad as a brutal warlord, who assassinates critics.

Ibn Ishaq also I think decides that Mohammad married Ayesha when she was six years old..  Or that may have come from some narrators in Bukhari.

Bukhari is interesting because it doesn't have a unified consensus of it's commentators, some of them for example say Ayesha was 6, others 17 or 25. 

There are the hadith of Ayesha herself, who presumably had a bunch of comments recorded on her husband and her life, and the life of the Muslim community.  Ayesha was one of the leaders of the Muslim community in the time after Mohammad's death, when the community was rapidly expanding and conquering many lands.


Ayesha apparently had these comments recorded and passed down through oral tradition and perhaps also had some written works created.  I am not sure.  I am afraid that written works from the early days of Mohammad's Islam are not necessarily that common, though some surely have survived. I am not sure, but feel I was "hoodwinked" by a pedophile club, of murderous dicators, when I was looking into the truth about Islam as a student and as a Muslim.

The Muslim pedophile league, of murderous dicators, may actively promote the Ibn Ishaq story over the histories written by Mohammad's kin and close friends, such as Ali and Ayesha...

I watched a presentation by Yusuf Estes, and he claims that contrary to what Ibn Ishaq and Bukhari's militant pedophiles might have said about Mohammad and Ayesha, that it was impossible for Mohammad to marry Ayesha until she was mature, and that Ayesha herself has written numerous commentaries about her and Mohammad's life which are of value to Muslims.

I have not seen Yusuf Estes addresing the Ibn Ishaq vs Ali vs Ayesha commentary and history debate.

I think though he would have something to say about it perhaps.

As someone who rejects the notion that God is a pervert, according to our laws, and that God wouldn't order the human race to marry little kids and suck the tongues of boys so they can enter heaven....  hmm.  I don't think as a Muslim I could accept the group of 6 year old claimers in the Bukhari nor the general narrattion of Ibn Ishaq.

I refuse to beleive God would have as a prophet a man who murdered children for making satirical songs about him.

So if I am to remain friendly with Islam, I need to link up with Muslims who don't accept the harmful narrative of Ibn Ishaq and who are rather listening to what Ayesha and perhaps Ali have said about those times.

Now I wonder what Ali said about his marriage and Mohammad's marriage to Ayesha.  It would be good to talk to an expert on their writings and find out what they said.

Now look, I am just shocked that some dictator or Mohammad himself, was so wicked that he told his people to be pedophiles and murder dissidents.  It is really alarming.  I am afraid this dictatorship continues to this day, as our local Mosque, Masjid al Iman continues to promote pedophilia and the Ibn Ishaq narrative, about beheading civilians and enslaving their women and kids, and about killing young people who want to poke fun at religion and the prophets.

I am afraid that at this point middle eastern people are severely retarded, from taking way too much hashish and engaging in way to much blasphemy and pedophilia and murderousness.

I don't know what it's like in the Middle East, whether they have alternatives to the kind of Islam presented by the local Mosque and the supposedly mainstream orthodox Sunni view.

Worried about being killed for apostosy, questioning Islam, heresy, criticizing Mohammad.

It is indeed a very deep, difficult sitaution.

I feel compelled though to be a voice of reason and courage, and get to the bottom of this and write about it.  It is a compulsion, it has posssessed me and made me devoted to working on it, to the point I spend a lot of my time thinking about it.  The thought that we are faced by a devil, who is a serial killer and pedophile, enjoining all the people to be serial killers and pedophiles, or else go to hell or a place worse than hell be tortured nightmarishly forever.... It is compelling thought.

I was underneath these Sunni Muslims for a while, and I can tell you, it was a stultifying and terrifying experience.  With so much blind faith in being a serial killer and pedophile, and all these hordes of would be terrorists supporting mass murderering dictators, and here I am, compelled to join it, become a Muslim , et cetera, it was shocking.  It may be the reason why I couldn't finish my translation project that year and had to quit work, it was too deeply depressing for someone who thinks pedophiles and serial butchers should be punished. 

Yes Alarming, we truly are under attack by the kind of worst people imaginable.  Cops are telling me these people try to grab their guns and shoot them when they go up to them to arrest them.

It really is a shocking circumstance.

I hope that the writings of Ayesha, Ali, and other close companions of Mohammad deny the cruelty of Ibn Ishaq's Warlord.

I would like it if there was this alternative Islam, this peaceful, child loving, human rights bearing Islam.  Instead of this rapacious murder culture that I am picking up from the TV news and internet readings into what Al Qaeda and other so called Islamic extremists have to say.

Really they must already be very bad people to believe in what they believe in, past the age of 20 or 30.  How do we come to believe that killing civilians is a good idea, that killing innocent children who criticize you is morally just?  How do we believe that pedophilia is normal and holy and ordained by God?  It takes a murderer and pedophile to believe in this.

Sadly, murderers and pedophiles is what these extremist terrorists are recruiting, genocidal slave traffickers who want to kill the children's parents and then rape the children too perhaps. I saw that ISIS was caught selling 8 year old girls for sex slavery, on the TV and internet.

This is what Christians were up against in Syria when they were fighting ISIS.  ISIS seems to be largely or entirely an extremist group built up around Ibn Ishaq, Bukhari, Muslim.  A genocidal dictator who kills his critics, rapes kids, enslaves and tortures innocent people.

Yes it was shocking, and it's hard not to be tempted by the cruelties of Ibn Ishaq's Mohammad when you are reading it, it makes you think that you must at least fit in with these slave trafficking rapists, these murderers.  It imprisons you, gives you a mental disease, a social disease, it kind of fuels drug addiction and smoking, it gets you really depressed.  You even consider that you parents are going to be tortured forever because they aren't a Muslim slave trafficking child molester and dictatorial murderer like Mohammad.  You consider that all your friends and family members have gone to hell forever because they did not embrace Islam and become like Ibn Ishaq's Mohammad.  It is deeply assaulting, deeply aggressive, deeply frustrating, and even depressing.

It is constant around the clock witness intimidation. 

When I met the Muslims in Toronto, their women sexually assaulted me.  Now they had men come and tell me, you need to listen to this lecture by this Shaikh, you need to read the Quran.  The Quran tells me i have to believe in it or go to hell forever, and the Shaikh's lecture is about how Allah forgave the man who murdered 100 men.  Faced with this rapist murderer cult, and having no real friends and being in a weird relationship with my family where life wasn't ever discussed, I felt I had no choice but to become a Muslim.

Yes it was a difficult time, I luckily ran off from Toronto and went and joined my family out West. I sort of hid from the Muslims and went to Mosque once in a while, claiming I was sick and couldn't come all the time.  I was sick too.  I learned about Islam from the Sunni scholars, and it was a sickening experience.  They weren't all perverts and killers but just seemed like they had decided to put perverts and killers in charge of their religion.

It was deeply disturbing.  Now I came to Victoria, and met a young Muslim who was my friend for a while.  We were real friends.  He too was sick, couldn't go to mosque very often.  We would relax and talk and walk around and stuff.  I went to his family home and he came to mine.  I tried to deal with some issues.

It was around this time that I was feeling inspired to wage some kind of holy struggle, as I was encountering that life was really messed up, there was a huge drug epidemic, and a ton of people were on cocaine and other drugs.  The youth culture was committing adultery.  It was all really frustrating.  I saw that people said they beleived in God but committed adultery and drugs use.

How did things get so wrong?  I was so far from the comfortable companionship of my mom and dad in church, where I had been a simple innocent, confused and frightened at times, but allowed to be an innocent creature.  Now these people wanted me to do drugs, robbed me, these Muslim people who were promoting a rape and death cult in my face.  I was attacked by a Muslim at the mosque, threatened with death.  It was alarming.

The cops obviously don't care or aren't able to do anything about this whole situation. I don't think putting these people in jail and releasing them is a good idea either, I think that in the real world, the only thing to do about it is to say "you're either on the side of the right behavior or you are dead meat."

But look at them, they are saying the right behavior is killing children for making humour about you, about the government and church, they are saying the right behavior is raping kids and enslaving them, murdering their parents.  They are saying the right behavior is to commit genocide.

It is truly shoking times for man who wants human rights and lawful society.

For someone who clings to the ideals of the United Nations, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and things like that - the vision presented by the common thugs and the vision presented b the Islamic radicals is so atrocious.

I don't know what to make of it all.  I will continue to work on it, perhaps finding out what Ayesha and Ali wrote is key.

Perhaps I need to discover the Muslims who aren't raising their kids to be rapists and killers and murderers and slave traffickers and pedophiles.


That's what it looks like I am afraid, they are raising nightmare thugs, based on firm Islamic guidance from the Great mainstream Sunni sources.